The upgraded assembly is much stouter in design has solved the fail open issues . If your engine is the Briggs and Stratton with the plastic carb, be sure to pop out the white plastic part inside the carb. Lawn tractor cold-starts and runs without a miss. Look on youtube for your model. The 100th commenter . I picked it up, fixed it in 20 minutes and sold it the next day for $125. Totally disgusted!! So I drained the fuel again and refilled with new (thinking there might have been water or something in the lines), drained the oil and refilled with new, and pulled and checked the spark plug. No spark on the plug? I just had a problem with mine 22" Kohler engine - and when I sprayed into the auto-choke with carb cleaner that fixed it $ 6 bottle of Startron and problems solved as to efuel issues ! So I did that and it didn't start. Continue with Recommended Cookies. It seems to operate freely. The choke is one of these that mount directly the muffler and is the size of about a fifty cent piece that mounts flat on the muffler. #4. $36. It was an old Oldsmobile and it would not start once it was hot. have you checked the gas cap? Not turning over. I thought, "Oh out of gas". the government puts ethynol in the fuel and the chinese make the carbs. This is ridiculous. Further the problem described by enigma,s 2013 149 kohler again has been recognized as ethanol related fuel restrictions due to a fouled internal fuel filter or carburetor fuel circuits . We have two tractors at a cemetery were I volunteer to help out. And I figured the bit about cleaning the plastic carb was some new info. THEY ARE JUNK . You win ewalk. Either that or buy a 23 " Toro next time. The newer Kohle r models have a much stouter internal fuel filter or inline filter ! The one after you run it and it get's hot and shut it down you can't get it started again . An example of data being processed may be a unique identifier stored in a cookie. So a really nice practically new mower that has probably only been used 5-10 times total. Seriously. It worked for a few months, then it didn't. No problem until a couple of days ago. If Ray wants a manual choke, Cub had them on those little 19 inchers, may have been Powermores, but it would be a nice cable. If we work hard at it, we can get "petard" back into the populace as it once was. Your mileage may vary. I have been a member of this forum for over 15 yrs and working on everything from mowers to chainsaws and trimmers and snowblowers etc for over 35 yrs so I know small engines as do Sax , Tomplum , and baymee etc . I don't know, I guess I'll have to take the choke apart and clean it to see if the auto choke is sticking. Every job has a skill set! P.S. It cannot be over rated. Primarily Efuel related , however some auto choke and perhaps valve lash adjustment issues have contributed to the Toro no start owner complaints . The choke plate is controlled by linkage to the thermostat at the top of the muffler. Is it packed with grass under the deck? Though the grand prize is probably some knock off carb that won't run . Toro 20383 CoilThe machine runs fine for 45 minutes, sputters, I let it idle and it dies. Sad. We and our partners use data for Personalised ads and content, ad and content measurement, audience insights and product development. Hotter than blazes. Most choke plates don't open as far as you think they would on these. Could cause some people issues. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. P.S humility is highly over rated , although hugs accepted ! JavaScript is disabled. 6 1/2 years Tech 3 Georgian College Small Motors Division. I went to a dealer and had to pay $25 for a gasket kit and new float. George. But, start with gas cap. I hate throwing parts at this, I'll start with replacing the coil. Than it will not start at all. Problem started about a year ago. That part is actually two pieces. Keep us posted Bud ! I just noticed this thread is from 2013. I hear they start better. His no start "HOT" would appear to be a lean fuel condition cause . Tecumseh, Briggs, Kohler, etc. By the way most B & S engine have leaky carbs sooner or later . Your IP: . If I stop it and re-start within a few minutes, it works. Wonder if any got bounced during shipping. The main jet is in the stem of the carb. Please help! P.S. Worked pretty well for last few years. Never saw a no start thread a mile long on those. Have a Toro with Kohler engine 2011 22 inch auto-choke same issue. Thank's for the good advice. Will not restart until half an hour has passed. I've repaired over 100 of these mowers and have 20 or so at my shop at the moment. What you don't know Bruce is that Ewalk and John have a secret pact to get this thread to 200 posts by the end of the summer. The repair shop wants $80 to pick it up. NOW I think they make most in CHINA ?? Your issue appears often a few yrs down the road due to the therm o components failing or binding due to age , the bimetal coil unwind when heated by the muffler heat to provide liner movement to open the choke and contracts to close the choke when muffler cools . The choke is open all the way and it needs a shot of gas or carb spray to start when hot. Find out why the choke doesn't open, perhaps making it run rich, or is it supposed to run that way? He and I along with other very experienced forum members contribute diligently to expedite resolution to various member concerns . Tried to restart, didn't work. within this thread . the machine still seemed to starving for gas at the start until it cooled down then it ran fine. @ tomplum at this rate perhaps 2 cases Bud ! Yeah these Courage kept me busy for a few yrs lol. Basically every couple of months I've gotta clean the carburetor out. John , read the entire thread before you provide redundant blanket solutions , the engines of concern are Kohlers , Tecumseh not just Briggs & Stratton. btw B & S used to be made in MILWAUKEE where I live . Thank you! Rays scenario is the exception to rule i observed . I live in FL. Closing the carb makes it run rich, not lean. @ssewalk1; thanks, much appreciated. Only thing Ive found is if you let it run on a cut section of Grass 10 seconds mine will start 9 out of 10 times While hot. Where to start? Click to reveal Ewalk, it's like you and Ray are sitting at the bar w/ a couple of biers and bowl on peanuts between you! enigma7. So I inherited a 6 month old Toro 22" self-propelled Recycler mower from my BIL that moved away (think it's 149cc and 6.75HP but don't quote me on that). if you checked fuel lines and filter, I've replaced the battery and the spark plug, have tested for spark, and it still just turns over and won't fire check . Power is perfected in weakness (pause, take a breathe). Wheel Horse ,Kohler Engine, Will Not Start When Hot. Experience: 40 years experience in 2 & 4 stroke eng. Otherwise the mower is a monster Ive run it through thick foot tall grass and it gobbles it without stalling. #3. cfhartman said: can't start Kohler engine after it get's hot. Did you ever clean the internal fuel filter within the fuel tank as illustrated by Ray84 in his comments within the above thread ? If you had read the thread entirely you would know I personally have had 3 toro,s over the yrs all with kohler engines so I recognize their traits . Did he check for spark when hot or just guessing? Frankly, Houzz sent me a notification about this thread. Is the grass too thick for the mower to handle? @tomplum , just what I need another chinaclone carb yeehaw ! So I cheated. So here I am looking for solutions. Did this a couple more times and then got pissed and alternated between Sea Foam Deep Creep (another aerosol that removes carbon and buildup) and the MAF cleaner and was able to keep the engine going for a full 30sec before I stopped spraying, and it immediately went dead. Was the spark blue, orange, etc? I would assume the choke plate would be fully open when the engine was hot. Put on your apron and be an OPE mechanic from then until it slows down. ;). can't start Kohler engine after it get's hot. The repair shop apparently is not aware that Spring comes every year. One thought as i was looking at the choke replacement It its adjustable. Remove the filter and see if it runs any differently without. It is a thin plastic yellow and not mentioned in manual. The reason there's a no start when hot is no spark from the coil. The action you just performed triggered the security solution. RE: what the heck kind of choke system do I have, altitude issues +3500, heat up kits for the thermostat etc. Mine once its warmer Im going to manually pull the choke on see if that helps the hot start problem. I hadn't given that a thought. The tiny part with the holes is the metering bolt on the Tecumseh or emulsion tube on most other small engines which distributes the fuel mixture to the primary main jet and the secondary primer circuits , yes these holes and the jets can become restricted by various forms of debris , gel , sludge or efuel waxing which is the most prevalent today . Two years old with 87 hours on it. Im sure Ill see this again so if anyone has any information for me that would be most helpful. @Bruce; every other week in the warmer months and probably every two to three weeks when it's colder. Thanks how much use does it get? The mower wants to start but nothing. So my hunch is that the mower is fine but not getting fuel. Wondered when I saw the type of mower he was describing. Onward with the simple stuff. It was 22 inch recycler6.76 Kohlerengine. I will definitely give that a try. This wheel horse has a 15 hp kohler engine. When not in use, it has been stored in a wood shed in the backyard.I'm tired of cleaning out the damned thing. Doesn't TORO CARE about its reputation ? Hope this helps others. I do not know if it has any relationship but I had a car like that. So you can clean out thee the carb paying particular attention to the float needle & seat and try again. I bought it maybe 2-3 years ago, and it worked fine for a few months, then it wouldn't start. I've got about 5 or 6 bulletins on these XT chokes. I have a 2 year old Toro 20374. for any one who owns a toro 149cc guarantee start mower that wont start here is what u do.on top of carburetor there is linkage that goes to the exhaust .by the carburetor push it with your finger to the front of mower you Will feel it click then start it up never fails for me .it must be getting stuck for some reason haven't figured that part out yet. The most prevalent cause of these complaints is ethanol fuel related . I couldn't see anything wrong or dirt, but it was causing mower to start then stop. What? Im sure it did sound like that. I don't need the info and wasn't a member and feel like it was a waste of time. Poke the little hole with a paper clip or pin. Got half the back yard done when the engine began to sputter and lost power. 1 season with fuel left in it will destroy your carburetor. Roscoe it sounds like the little orifice at the entrance of the carb may be plugged. Put the new (49 cent) gasket in. Wow what a post. (I've seen plenty of mowers that won't start hot because the carb was dirty.) This thread is historically long already . Sure. Had to get rid of it in the end. Look, I know how to fix mowers. Pulled off carb/float bowl thing and wiped out cleaned and now it works. The carburetors are not plastic mostly white metal & stamped steel . It is a relatively simple process to clean the carb. Again, no spark. P.S. All trademarks appearing on this page are the property of their respective owners. So thanks guys. Never again. and the sticking valve. Hopefully Ray will get back to us when he has time to verify his valve lash , he appears to have a sound understanding of small engines and not at all a novice , hopefully he tops up the peanuts and beer , Cheers ! When ever you have good fuel flow, know that you also need to have a good vent. Good luck too you also ! This is a well known issue with both the 149 and 159 Series engines that have lean burn epa style carbs and which carb choke plates are set to be 1/4 closed to compensate by enriching the air fuel mixture accordingly . Can you pull the carburetor bowl off and have a look? So why duplicate this info , new info would be more beneficial ! Let's see. AMEN TORO you lost 5 customers ( me and my 4 kids ). 9 years ago. Some of our partners may process your data as a part of their legitimate business interest without asking for consent. 21,336. It should start fine each time. Iv had this on other identical mowers and have not yet found a solution. You can take the straw from a carb spray can and get it dead center to blow through the main. :). I has to replace a 2inch in diameter rubber O ring. It starts and runs just fine but after it has run for a half. The gas cap is vented. You are using an out of date browser. Performance & security by Cloudflare. I have had no problems at all in the past. I try to stickl with HONDA or KOHLER on all my stuff that burns gas. OK, group hug :)). starts fine cold then dies when hot . Toro could care less!! It works fine when I do that. John , you apparently just cannot read . 2022 LawnMowerForum.com. It must be perfect which is near impossible to accomplish. I do not see gas leaking. Runs great again then problem returns. I use to mulch with my old one but towards the end I primarily bagged and the high dome deck provided plenty of suction . This April I saw the first major inconvenience. The carb is a new OEM carb and I pulled the fuel filter to eliminate any possible issues with fuel restriction. It is also an indication of a failing coil. Would love to send a cold one to you, and John, and more :). If its stopped while cutting it wont start with out starter fluid. So after reading the manual and being sure I was doing it properly I started to second guess the fluids/parts. No grass to try it on as of yet. If the recoil starter assembly is defective, the engine won't start. Bruce , just a additional info since you have the 149 cc Kohle r engine , @ the top of this thread Ray84 illustrated the small fuel filter within the fuel tank attached to the fuel line . The spark plug - correct plug? Ray84 took the time to send a concise pic of the filter . Great for shop work though. Found out on YouTube to clean the carburetor bowl and check the float because they are having problems with them sticking. The engine is a Toro 159cc 6 year old mower.. Also, when hot, the choke plate is half way between wide open and closed. Guy tossed one last week - told me it needed a new carb. this also should fix the lagg in power and slow starts. I have replaced approx a dozen therm O Choke assemblies on these Kohlers over 10 yrs and 25-30 engines through the shop for everyday servicing . when you see those. Both tractors have Kohler Command 20 two cylinders engines. In my case it was the ignition coil. P.S.S. Half hour later it started right up and nearly finished mowing when it started to spatter and die. When you are cutting and need to bag change let it idle without cutting any Gras for 20 seconds. Tried today 60 times. The previous owner left gas in the mower. Cleaning a carb is an easy thing that pretty much anyone can handle if you have a socket set, $2 for carb cleaner at walmart and can follow a youtube video. The part is not on any schematic!! I pulled it out and mower ran like deer. I am not telling you the number of times I have tried to get the O ring in place. Sometimes you can pull the black lever end and rotate it slightly , but it should have a new stat. Cloudflare Ray ID: 766e06f73b5ac1a8 Thank you God for the corn farmers, their lobbyists and ethanol gas, it's provided a steady stream of small engines with easy fixes. I think the problem guys is the B & S engine . Once you check the simple stuff, think complex. I wonder if increasing the float level a tad would help. Hey Tom enjoying Spring yet Bud ? I agree for a 149cc engine they match the 160cc & 180cc cutting abilities . It does not appear to be adjustable in any way. #1. As for this problem with kohlers you don,t bother wasting time with gas cap air vent restrictions , when experience and symptoms obviously dictates the problem with George's 159 Toro is coil related , although just loosening the cap would validate your position , rather than advising someone to poke at the rubber air vent poppet ., when compressed air is safer option , if actually required , which George has indicated was not . Especially on the L shaped choke stats and their version of a choke pull off. Absolute waste of time. Like the guy here with the running hot problem. Good luck. After its ran for about 6 minutes it still does not fully open the choke butterfly. The throttle plate position you describe can be adjusted if needed . 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